Future upgrade discussion
There has been a bit of talk on the blog lately from some who would rather have the option to upgrade or not to version 5 when it becomes available due to some concerns they have. I would like to address those concerns.
Planned v5 Upgrade Process
First, I'd like to talk about the v5 upgrade process and what our plans are at this time.
Before v5 is released we will re-open our BetaZone which allows you to make a copy of your forum to test with before your real forum goes live with v5. This will allow you to play with all the new settings, update your layout, etc. Essentially you will have a "test" forum that you can play with.
One of the great (until now, unannounced) features of version 5 is the ability to export many of the settings on your forum to import them on another forum. This means you can set everything up on your test forum, export your settings (for things such as your skins, headers and footers, etc), and then save them into your forum once you upgrade to v5.
When version 5 is ready to be released, we are going to give all board owners a period of 2-3 months with an option to upgrade to v5. This way you can take all the time you need to make get your changes ready for the upgrade. After this period of time we will then force-upgrade the rest of the forums that have not opted to upgrade ahead of time.
We feel this is the best approach to give all forum admins the time they need to make sure their forum upgrade goes smoothly.
Templates in v5
As was documented earlier, version 5 is implementing a new templating system. This gives you full control over the HTML of your forum. This also allows you to change or even remove some things that you don't want them.
For example, some have expressed a desire to not have the "last 24 hours users" box. In version 5 you can simply remove the HTML code for this from the Info Center template. Further to this, in v5 there will be a simple option in the settings area to remove this box as well. This is just an example of how you can customize the HTML code in your v5 forum.
Headers/Footers Codes in v5
Some have said that they are worried that the future v5 upgrade (because of the size of the upgrade) will mess with their layouts.
We are overhauling all the HTML for version 5. Many of our coders have requested that we add new features to the code such as using id="[name]" on any elements that would be useful for coders to access. Other changes include naming of all forms. As a result of the major HTML changes, the majority of JavaScript codes that are in use today will not work in version 5.
Further to that, the new codes that will be developed to be compatible with v5 will be much easier for our coders to create.
Another important thing to note is that many, many of the codes in use today are designed to manipulate the HTML of the layout. These codes will not even be needed any more in v5 because we let you edit the HTML code yourself!
So, what is going to happen?
First off, our code database will be upgraded to have all new codes that will work with version 5. Again, we are giving 2-3 month grace period before the upgrade so that you can prepare your forum upgrade. If you have header/footer codes that you need to be updated we will make sure those new codes are provided in our code database.
Now, instead of simply upgrading your forums and keeping all the header/footer codes in which will not work, we will provide a copy of your headers/footers in your admin area and you will need to add in the new JavaScript codes which work with v5. Again, the majority of codes from v4 / v4.5 will not even be needed since you have direct access to the HTML.
We understand that for some forums which have extensive headers and footers this may be a fair amount of work, but the end benefit will be tremendous because of the amount of control that we are putting into your hands.
Last Thoughts
We will take your suggestions to heart in regards to this upgrade. I appreciate your constructive criticism and hope that this discussion will help alleviate some concerns you may have about this future upgrade.
It is important to note that if our members feel that they need more time to prepare their forums, we will give you that time. We would like nothing more than for this to be a smooth upgrade for all of our members and will provide you the support and assistance you require in this process.
Planned v5 Upgrade Process
First, I'd like to talk about the v5 upgrade process and what our plans are at this time.
Before v5 is released we will re-open our BetaZone which allows you to make a copy of your forum to test with before your real forum goes live with v5. This will allow you to play with all the new settings, update your layout, etc. Essentially you will have a "test" forum that you can play with.
One of the great (until now, unannounced) features of version 5 is the ability to export many of the settings on your forum to import them on another forum. This means you can set everything up on your test forum, export your settings (for things such as your skins, headers and footers, etc), and then save them into your forum once you upgrade to v5.
When version 5 is ready to be released, we are going to give all board owners a period of 2-3 months with an option to upgrade to v5. This way you can take all the time you need to make get your changes ready for the upgrade. After this period of time we will then force-upgrade the rest of the forums that have not opted to upgrade ahead of time.
We feel this is the best approach to give all forum admins the time they need to make sure their forum upgrade goes smoothly.
Templates in v5
As was documented earlier, version 5 is implementing a new templating system. This gives you full control over the HTML of your forum. This also allows you to change or even remove some things that you don't want them.
For example, some have expressed a desire to not have the "last 24 hours users" box. In version 5 you can simply remove the HTML code for this from the Info Center template. Further to this, in v5 there will be a simple option in the settings area to remove this box as well. This is just an example of how you can customize the HTML code in your v5 forum.
Headers/Footers Codes in v5
Some have said that they are worried that the future v5 upgrade (because of the size of the upgrade) will mess with their layouts.
We are overhauling all the HTML for version 5. Many of our coders have requested that we add new features to the code such as using id="[name]" on any elements that would be useful for coders to access. Other changes include naming of all forms. As a result of the major HTML changes, the majority of JavaScript codes that are in use today will not work in version 5.
Further to that, the new codes that will be developed to be compatible with v5 will be much easier for our coders to create.
Another important thing to note is that many, many of the codes in use today are designed to manipulate the HTML of the layout. These codes will not even be needed any more in v5 because we let you edit the HTML code yourself!
So, what is going to happen?
First off, our code database will be upgraded to have all new codes that will work with version 5. Again, we are giving 2-3 month grace period before the upgrade so that you can prepare your forum upgrade. If you have header/footer codes that you need to be updated we will make sure those new codes are provided in our code database.
Now, instead of simply upgrading your forums and keeping all the header/footer codes in which will not work, we will provide a copy of your headers/footers in your admin area and you will need to add in the new JavaScript codes which work with v5. Again, the majority of codes from v4 / v4.5 will not even be needed since you have direct access to the HTML.
We understand that for some forums which have extensive headers and footers this may be a fair amount of work, but the end benefit will be tremendous because of the amount of control that we are putting into your hands.
Last Thoughts
We will take your suggestions to heart in regards to this upgrade. I appreciate your constructive criticism and hope that this discussion will help alleviate some concerns you may have about this future upgrade.
It is important to note that if our members feel that they need more time to prepare their forums, we will give you that time. We would like nothing more than for this to be a smooth upgrade for all of our members and will provide you the support and assistance you require in this process.


24 Comments:
That's sounds pretty cool to me!
~Curtiswwe
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Curt, At
April 20, 2008 12:55 AM
Oh, hi Curtis. Its Fastheart if you dont remember.
Anyways, cool. Nice job on that Patrick!
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Nick, At
April 20, 2008 2:25 AM
Sounds very very impressive! I just wonder though, there might be people who don't WANT to upgrade to V5. ..is it at all possible to have a setting in the forum in which the admin would just tick off "yes" or "no" to an upgrade question, and then be removed from your to-upgrade database??
I'm not a coder (heck, I can't even count), so I don't know if this is possible. It's just a suggestion.
Xx~Raika
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Raika, At
April 20, 2008 4:23 AM
Thanks for the explanation, Patrick. I always look forward to upgrades, but sometimes just the thought of what can go wrong gets bothers me. I know that the upgrade will be great when the time comes...even if it does take some time to learn the new features. Hey, Proboards is still the best!
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Kate, At
April 20, 2008 6:06 AM
It's good to be apart of a place that does in fact take the time out to read comments and take into consideration what we have to say. Far to many places simply ignore you and don't care what you have to say about anything. Thank you.
I can't give any constructive criticism as I would like since I don't yet know fully how all of this will look. It sounds nice but I'll have to reserve judgment until I can in fact see it and play with it. After all it would be silly to automatically go off on something I know nothing of. It does sound as if it offers promise.
However, I am almost positive that our board will wait until the force conversion as before so if I suddenly pop into comments to leave long ones a couple months after it has been implemented then that's why.
Thank you for all the hard work.
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Khellamendra, At
April 20, 2008 2:17 PM
I just want the thing to work on my forum as was not the case numerous times in trying v4.5. Will 5.0 work on my forum being that it's the most traffic proboard? That's the main concern, it should work 'right out of the box' and not having me upgrade then revert back over and over. I do appreciate the hard work you guys are doing and the improvements sound great but please have it handle the heavy load of my forum!
Thanks,
Jay 'Jack Specific' Wohlfeld
wfigs.proboards48.comh
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jay, At
April 20, 2008 2:50 PM
You just made my bad mood go away :)
Thank you.
By
Robert, At
April 20, 2008 5:52 PM
Sounds great just wondering what was the time period in which this upgrade will be released?
-JB
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Jordon, At
April 21, 2008 12:08 PM
Sounds Great! Good work!
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Thomas Gilgamish, At
April 22, 2008 11:46 AM
Do you know when version 5 will be ready some of my members have been PM me asking me for this and that and i keep telling them to wait till version 5
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jason, At
April 22, 2008 12:35 PM
Sounds good Pat. :) This will make my job of upgrading SoCal and SZ much easier... with 5 skins, it'd be quite a pain normally to do in about... 3 days? But giving me 3 months will be a blessing. :P Glad to know you and the development staff have put a lot of thought into this.
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Chris, At
April 22, 2008 6:06 PM
im wondering if the "viewers over the last 24 hours" section can be viewable only to staff members? Is this option possible in V5?
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Uree, At
April 23, 2008 4:33 PM
how can i copy my forum to v5 as ya said? Thx
-Mkbul
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Mike, At
April 26, 2008 6:09 AM
Hi, I'm a little short on time, so I didn't have a chance to fully explore the previous entries; forgive me if what I suggest has already been covered.
V5 sounds wonderful, but there's a specific feature of the SMF forum software I like: so say you're posting and as soon as you submit it, you find someone else has alrady posted in the time it took you to write your comments up, forcing you to go back and modify your post.
Well, on SMF it alerts you when that happens. When submitting your post it tells you if someone else has posted during your time writing, giving you the chance to modify before resubmitting. I think that would be a wonderful feature to have on Proboards. ^^
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FlameAxelVIII, At
May 14, 2008 11:04 AM
i have an idea for super easy transfer of information version to version
first..you guys make a patch that will translate all options, layouts, skins, headers, footers, whos a mod, groups...just everything into a huge page of code and put it in the admins page that you can access through a link
like skins and stuff
then you place the same thing on the new version and when somebody wants to transfer they just copy and paste the existing code into the new area
then its done
the new options will just be written into the code so nothing is missed and everything is super easy
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Sean, At
May 16, 2008 1:31 AM
Please please PLEASE give administrators the option to remove the delete account button for users in their profiles. I have this one friend who keeps deleting his account. I already end up remaking his account only for him to delete it again next time he gets upset at one of us. It's a constant cycle and I'm sick and tired of it. My argument is, if you want to leave the forum, just leave without deleting your account, it makes it more of a hassle for me because I always have to remake it again. It's a private forum so I have it set so that only new accounts are created by me. I don't see any point for anyone to delete their account, especially if they always return within a day like this guy. If you are going to leave, then just leave your account so that it's still there waiting if you change your mind and come back. I would really appreciate the option to remote that delete account button from users and only give that option to the administrators by request if a user wants their account deleted.
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Shane, At
May 17, 2008 9:38 AM
already is supposed to be always above. I'm ALWAYS remaking his account each time he deletes it.
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Shane, At
May 17, 2008 9:40 AM
Really Impressive update. I Use my own gradients graphics and codes in my boards. I'm wondering if this upgrade will change out all that?
{Header & Footer CSS style Script's}
Also java scripting for a lot or really neat features including sound and video media players...
I am hoping your new upgrade 5.0 does not take away the java scripting coding used for these really great options on my boards etc....
By
Gems3125, At
May 20, 2008 3:30 PM
Oh my goodness. Editing the HTML? That is just simply innovative, unheard of! Wow. You people are truly amazing. I want you to know that I totally appreciate what you're doing here. =)
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Chani, At
May 24, 2008 10:48 AM
Any thoughts of a multi-quote option? I didn't see it in any of the prior discussions.
Thanks.
By
Lou, At
May 28, 2008 12:31 PM
I have a question about all of this. I've been on proboards for only a year or so, so please tell me... what in the world does all of this mean? Please tell me!
Thanks,
Tiffany
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iceety, At
May 31, 2008 1:28 PM
Wouldn't that leave room for removal of the ads that come with ProBoards on free accounts?
By
Arjun - PeeB4UGo, At
May 31, 2008 2:13 PM
I have a question about all of this. I've been on proboards for only a year or so, so please tell me... what in the world does all of this mean? Please tell me!
Thanks,
Tiffany
This is just talking about a new version of ProBoards. Go to the proboards support forum if you have any questions.
By
Robert, At
June 7, 2008 5:42 AM
A feature that I would like to see in the new version is being able to e-mail masses on searches. The only option right now is to delete the members. I'd rather be able to e-mail them all and remind them to register or ask them why they haven't logged in for 30 days.
By
Robert, At
September 13, 2008 1:06 PM
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